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Post by nolanandjuliefan on Jun 21, 2006 0:05:51 GMT -5
brodylove I know how much you love Patrick/Brody and I know you'll be the first one to step up to the plate and defend our guy. That being said I really think what Patrick did on the island was so out of character for him. Unfortunately JER made him so wishy-washy in fantasizing about Jen, then Hope, then being with Billie, yet fantasizing about Hope and still being with Billie then having Billie dump him only to wind up sleeping with Hope. The reasons why I can't buy into what Patrick did are simply put a man with a broken heart carries some of that with him, but honestly once he stepped onto the island he was all about Hope there. Billie wasn't really even an after thought. He was all about how much he 'loved' Hope and I hate to say it, but when he and Billie were together and he was fantasizing about Hope it made me wonder about him. It's almost like he hooked up with Billie to upset Bo enough to get worked up so he could move in on Hope. Sure noone planned on Chelsea killing Zack, but it seemed like this tragedy presented Patrick with the opportunity to have his dream come true with Hope. Top that off with him saying how he'd do anything to be with Hope, it makes me wonder if he ever cared about Billie at all. And maybe Billie never cared about him either in JERs eyes. Here was a couple with great chemistry that got flushed down the toilet just to cause upset for Bo and Hope. I knew when Zack died that this was just an excuse to have Hope sleep with Patrick and Billie sleep with Bo and that was soooooooooo wrong. I hated it from day one and I still do. P.S. Just wanted to let you know that no you didn't make me mad with your reply there. You were stating your very well thought out opinion and knowing you like I do I wouldn't expect you to take any other position there with Patrick. In fact if you took any other view I'd be shocked TOT, but I don't know if you saw Brody in Totally Blonde yet or not, but if you haven't you should. It was on the other night and while the movie isn't the best, Brody shines in that playing a surfer type guy. He shows that he's got a lot to offer the acting world and Days should really let him explore that.
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Post by Dale on Jun 21, 2006 4:51:32 GMT -5
I am sure I will make someone mad about this but here goes anyway. In all fairness to Patrick before he started having a real relationship with Billie he was fantazing about Hope and him. Plus in a way I think that some of what Patrick said and did was just because Billie had hurt him. He tried so hard to help her and then when he saved her, she turned her back on him. That doesn't make me mad at all because I know all that's true.
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Post by nolanandjuliefan on Jun 21, 2006 21:26:07 GMT -5
Sorry, but I don't really believe that about Patrick. Wish I could, but thanks to JER I really can't say I believe he did what he did simply because he was hurting from Billie. Hurting from Billie would've caused the man to fight for love--to pine away over Billie, but the only pining I saw was over Hope. Sad, but true. Another JER blunder. But hey I'm glad that JER can divide the fans like he always does taking a couple and fans that support a couple and making it a Patrick vs Billie situation there. I love how he has the ability to do that and make fans take sides in these issues.
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Post by brodylove on Jul 5, 2006 21:51:11 GMT -5
Well nolanandjuliefan I am definitely not going to shock you. I want you to know that I respect your opinions just as you have done with mine.
My first thought is about the awful sex pit thing. Billie slept with Bo the same night that she slept with Patrick. I believe that that was somewhere always in the back of his mind. Then when Hope shows up on the island all she can do is talk about Bo and Billie being together. How they are sleeping with each other. He had no reason to believe that that was not true. He knew all along how Billie felt about Bo. And of course demon seed was always reminding him of that.
In regard to upsetting Bo to get with Hope. I don't think that was true. Because he told Billie that was why he was leaving Salem so as not to interfer with B&H's marriage.
Sure he told Alex he would do anything to be with Hope but he was at that time working with the police to help catch Alex. Maybe that was just a ploy?`
As much as it pains me to say this even though I can see how Patrick might have been feeling I do have to agree that the things he said to Hope were wrong. He should have been saying those things to Billie. But he tried to help her and be there for her but she turned him away once again to be on Bo's good side. When someone does things that hurt you sometimes you do things you normally wouldn't have done. If it hadn't been for the demon seed Patrick and Hope would not have been on that island together anyway. IMO she is the one to blame for all of this mess.
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Post by Dale on Jul 6, 2006 23:54:50 GMT -5
I trust and respect your opinions, brodylove, far more than I will ever trust or respect nolanandjuliefan's.
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Post by pattiebelle on Jul 8, 2006 14:13:34 GMT -5
True! :)the demon seed is the one who made sure that Hope ended up on the island with Pat(after she overheard his traveling plans on the phone), then used her own best friend,Abby(YUK!) to convince Hope that the island was where she should go >: Plus,not to mention the changing and deletions of the e-mails and even climbing up the electric pole to cut the phone wire! If only she'd gotten a shock! ;D I can't wait until they all find out the truth about what she's done! She'll finally get what's coming to her! I do however hope that they're not as hard on Billie, considering she didn't know what she did, and everytime she sensed that she was upto something, she'd lie! So, I think, it's definitely more the demon seed's fault than hers, IMO!
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Post by Dale on Jul 12, 2006 9:16:28 GMT -5
What is with the demon seed moniker, anyway?
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Post by pattiebelle on Jul 12, 2006 11:04:17 GMT -5
I'm just glad Stephanie is showing her what she's up against with Max!!! ;D
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Post by nolanandjuliefan on Jul 12, 2006 21:07:54 GMT -5
I agree with brodylove that ultimately Chelsea is to blame for all of this and both parties have made mistakes. It really gets back to faulty writing there and that's really what's wrong with the show, but hopefully that will change. That being said I just thought I would issue one comment to Dale in response to this: I trust and respect your opinions, brodylove, far more than I will ever trust or respect nolanandjuliefan's. Dale, it's one thing not to like or want to read what I have to say especially if you don't agree with it, but blatantly insulting me or any other member on the board is against forum rules, so see to it that you don't continue down that path. This is a friendly environment not a hostile one and your attitude on the matter borders as such. It's okay to agree to disagree, but blatant jabs at other members will NOT BE TOLERATED. This isn't the first time, so try to refrain from being rude to other members if their views do not agree with yours. We ALL have a right to our opinions on this forum whether or not we all agree with one another. Patrick and Billie are clearly going through some rough patches and it's times like these that the fans are allowed to have some heated discussion, but flames on other posters are not allowed as no one's opinion is right or wrong in these discussions.
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Post by Dee on Jul 12, 2006 21:33:07 GMT -5
In my opinion, I do believe that most of this is the demon seed's fault, but I also believe in a way that is both kind of Patrick and Billie's fault both ways. I actually kind of agree with nolanandjuliefan because I think that if Patrick really would have loved Billie, he would have done anything to fight for her. When it's true love, no matter how hard you try--you can't let go of that one person. I think Patrick loves Billie, but I also think that part of him always wanted Hope too. Now, this all happened because of bad writing with Patrick and Hope, but if it was a real thing--Patrick doesn't really seem like he is truly in love with Billie. If he was, then I don't think he would just let go like that. Of course, everyone else did have a point and I think everyone is kind of right in their own way. I think that the main problem was because of Chelsea, but I also think that it could be part of Patrick's fault. Just my opinion...
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